Rules Questions Thread 2.0

Rules Questions Thread 2.0
8/11/2008 11:56:19 PM

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Well it seems that the rules thread pulled a vanishing act on us, so in its honor: Rules question thread 2.0 Ask away

Alright, nearly 2 pages of questions on progenetius in the rules thread has spurred me to post this. I ask grimmer and everyone else not to answer any more questions about protection from everything.

Here are the 4 things you need to know about protection from everything.

1) Progenetius cannot be targeted by spells or abilities. That means if the spell says TARGET creature or permenant it can't choose progenetius. If it never mentions target creature or permenant your golden (re: wrath of god kills him)

2) Progenetius is unblockable. Period.

3) All damage to progenetius is prevented. If you pyroclasm for example, you do not pass go, you do not collect 200 dollars and you do not deal 2 points of damage to progenetius.

4) Progeneius cannot be equipped or enchanted. If you have some way to move an enchantment or equipment to progenetius without targeting him you can but it will fall off as a state based effect. An enchanment would go to the yard and an equipment would just sit there and laugh at you for being an idiot.

Thats it, unless you have a specific question about the way protection from everything interacts in unique situations STOP ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT HIM.

For the love of god, someone sticky this, if I see one more question about protection from everything Im going to off myself. Comment on my Mono B rogues and my G/B combo decks please ;D

12/4/2008 11:07:00 AM

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This is a question about tournament play:

Lets say my opponent puts a land into play, and then plays a card that they didn't intend too, say 'sorry', and put it back into their hand and plays the other one?

Is it legal in the rules to smack him? (sorry, not really a question) Mystical Tutor>>>>>Tinker>>>>>Darksteel Colossus>>>>>profit... (8*P

12/4/2008 1:17:00 PM

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Call a judge and the judge will smack him/her haha

I've done this before though...but I just stick with the play because I don't want to have a "do over". I'd rather just correct the mana and continue.
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12/5/2008 2:00:00 PM

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ok this is a question for grimmer. are there like prep tests for the judge exams? im interested in them, would like to prep though comment on the deck "New Bant" and i will return the favor Iron Chef Mtg Competitor, come stop by the thread and see what is cooking on the site, lots of fun to be had!----------------------------------------------------- The angle of the dangle decreases with the sag of the bag, and increases in proportion to the heat of the meat compared to the mass of the ass and the beauty of the cutie.

12/5/2008 2:13:00 PM

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Yes, there are some practice tests, though I'll have to look to find the ones from back when I was studying. I also made a study guide of sorts that is likely outdated, but will at least give a starting point. I'll see if I can find both and post them here or at least link to them. Most of my prep was simply answering rules questions on EssentialMagic.com (which is how I found MTGFanatic, actually, via an ad). EvilBro whipped me into shape and then I studied the specifics before taking the test. I still don't know the penalty guidelines very well at all, but the rules knowledge can get you a passing grade on the level 1 test. Also, I believe the official magicthegathering.com judge center has practice tests that are up to date. I killed your cat! (Why?) I felt it would bring closure to our relationship!

12/5/2008 11:17:00 PM

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Can you cycle the Resounding cards without targeting anything? Specifically Resounding Silence and Resounding Might. The others will probably always have legal targets.

12/6/2008 12:38:00 AM

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Yes. The triggers will not go on the stack because they have no legal targets to choose. I killed your cat! (Why?) I felt it would bring closure to our relationship!

12/6/2008 1:37:00 AM

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is lord of atlantis banned?

12/6/2008 2:13:00 AM

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What format do you mean? The only format(of the major 4 that is) where it isn't allowed, is Standard. TSP Block is not standard legal anymore.
Standard is Lor - Sha - Ala - 10th at the moment.
The site is not updated on that point. Moo.

12/7/2008 12:52:00 AM

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Two questions:

1) If Kitchen Finks is killed by temporary -X/-X, say by Fodder Launch, does it persist and stick around because it already hit the GY, or does it persist, gain you 2 life, and then get sent back to the GY?

2) Can you counteran evoked creature? I'm a single cell on a serpent's tongue.

12/7/2008 1:15:00 AM

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1) When a permanent with persist is put into a graveyard and then comes back into play, it becomes a new object and has no memory about its previous existence in play. So it will go to the graveyard, triger persist, then come back and stay there until killed again.

2) Yes. The Evoke cost is just an alternate way of casting the creature spell. My magic blog: http://theundergroundsea.blogspot.com/

12/7/2008 11:07:00 AM

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I thought so. Someone on sam mendoza's deck was arguing that you couldn't counter an evoked creature. I'm a single cell on a serpent's tongue.

12/8/2008 12:44:00 AM

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i believe that evoke and prowl are 2 things that are alike. theyare simply different ways to play creatures, same as with with madness or unearth. since its a ability that is going on the stack, unless something is preventing you from countering it, it can indeed be countered comment on the deck "New Bant" and i will return the favor Iron Chef Mtg Competitor, come stop by the thread and see what is cooking on the site, lots of fun to be had!----------------------------------------------------- The angle of the dangle decreases with the sag of the bag, and increases in proportion to the heat of the meat compared to the mass of the ass and the beauty of the cutie.

12/8/2008 12:53:00 AM

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Unearth is actually an activated ability, not an alternate cost. Meaning you're not actually playing a spell so there's nothing to counter there except the activated ability itself.

Edit: I should add to this -- evoke and prowl are alternate costs...and madness is treated as one also after you go ahead and pay for the madness cost; keep in mind however, that madness is much more complex than just that. My magic blog: http://theundergroundsea.blogspot.com/

12/8/2008 7:18:00 AM

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Does this work?
Boggart Mob + Boggart Shenanigans + any devour = inf loop/damage
This all relies on devouring tokens that are generated by devouring tokens, or do you have to sac all of them at once, not giving the other effects a chance to resolve? Epic Fail...{Project deck: The Electric Slide}

12/8/2008 8:21:00 AM

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Triggered ability, you devour them all at once, so no combo there. Moo.

12/8/2008 10:44:00 AM

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Screw devour, just toss in a nantuko husk. Thats an awesome combo. Comment on my Mono B rogues and my G/B combo decks please ;D

12/8/2008 12:26:00 PM

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Boggart Mob says "combat damage" though, so that still wouldn't work.

New Question: If you bounce a creature that has Deathtouch after damage is put on the stack, will the other creature still die due to Deathtouch?

12/8/2008 12:44:00 PM

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In order for deathtouch to trigger, the creature must be in play when the damage resolves.

You wouldn't be able to bounce your 2/1 deathtouch creature AND have it kill a 5/5 via deathtouch. I killed your cat! (Why?) I felt it would bring closure to our relationship!

12/8/2008 12:55:00 PM

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ok here is a question. if you have a creature with wither, lets say stigma lasher and your opponent blocks with another 2/2 both die correct? comment on the deck "New Bant" and i will return the favor Iron Chef Mtg Competitor, come stop by the thread and see what is cooking on the site, lots of fun to be had!----------------------------------------------------- The angle of the dangle decreases with the sag of the bag, and increases in proportion to the heat of the meat compared to the mass of the ass and the beauty of the cutie.

12/8/2008 1:52:00 PM

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technically their creature doesnt die, since it has 0 toughness it is simply placed in the graveyard, it isnt being destroyed so it cant be regenerated but your creature will be destroyed. "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising everytime we fall." -Confucious ~ One of your MTGFanatic Mods!

12/8/2008 4:10:00 PM

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ok im alittle confused when you cast Last Stand while Prismatic Omen is in play. lets say you have a land of each basic land type when you cast Last Stand. would Last Stand just count 5 for each land or would it count 6 since Prismatic Omen says they are every basic land type in addition to their other types? "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising everytime we fall." -Confucious ~ One of your MTGFanatic Mods!

12/8/2008 4:31:00 PM

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Regardless of how many times it has a particular subtype, it is still only one land. Thus, when you are counting Islands, each land would only be counted once, even if the land is now technically a "Basic Land - Island Island Forest Swamp Mountain Plains". I killed your cat! (Why?) I felt it would bring closure to our relationship!

12/8/2008 4:35:00 PM

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oh ok, thanks Grim. that was confusing me when i went play Last Stand the other day. "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising everytime we fall." -Confucious ~ One of your MTGFanatic Mods!

12/9/2008 11:44:00 AM

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Can I activate Wild Mongrel multiple times each turn, or can I only discard once to give him a boost? Mystical Tutor>>>>>Tinker>>>>>Darksteel Colossus>>>>>profit... (8*P

12/9/2008 12:01:00 PM

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Activated abilities (printed as "cost : effect") can be used as many times as you are able to pay the cost. Wild Mongrel's ability is an activated ability, so as long as you have cards in your hand to discard, you can activate the ability. I killed your cat! (Why?) I felt it would bring closure to our relationship!