Rules Questions Thread 2.0

Rules Questions Thread 2.0
8/11/2008 11:56:19 PM

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Well it seems that the rules thread pulled a vanishing act on us, so in its honor: Rules question thread 2.0 Ask away

Alright, nearly 2 pages of questions on progenetius in the rules thread has spurred me to post this. I ask grimmer and everyone else not to answer any more questions about protection from everything.

Here are the 4 things you need to know about protection from everything.

1) Progenetius cannot be targeted by spells or abilities. That means if the spell says TARGET creature or permenant it can't choose progenetius. If it never mentions target creature or permenant your golden (re: wrath of god kills him)

2) Progenetius is unblockable. Period.

3) All damage to progenetius is prevented. If you pyroclasm for example, you do not pass go, you do not collect 200 dollars and you do not deal 2 points of damage to progenetius.

4) Progeneius cannot be equipped or enchanted. If you have some way to move an enchantment or equipment to progenetius without targeting him you can but it will fall off as a state based effect. An enchanment would go to the yard and an equipment would just sit there and laugh at you for being an idiot.

Thats it, unless you have a specific question about the way protection from everything interacts in unique situations STOP ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT HIM.

For the love of god, someone sticky this, if I see one more question about protection from everything Im going to off myself. Comment on my Mono B rogues and my G/B combo decks please ;D

1/31/2009 11:03:00 PM

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@ Molar MAss

How come creatures with protection from white can be affected by wrath of god? and also can a tamanoa prevent mana burn from a source you control? example braid of fire?

1/31/2009 11:27:00 PM

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Tamanoa only gives you life when source you control deals damage and since mana burn is loss of life it wouldnt trigger Tamanoa's effect. "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising everytime we fall." -Confucious ~ One of your MTGFanatic Mods!

1/31/2009 11:29:00 PM

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Wrath doesn't do any of the things I listed that protection prevents for a creature. It doesn't target (it blows everything up. notice the lack of the word "target" in its text) and doesn't damage. My magic blog: http://theundergroundsea.blogspot.com/

1/31/2009 11:34:00 PM

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Sonic and jairus: As qouth 'Ye olde comp rules':

300.3. When a phase ends (but not a step), any unused mana left in a player’s mana pool is lost. That player loses 1 life for each one mana lost this way. This is called mana burn. Mana burn is loss of life, not damage, so it can’t be prevented or altered by effects that affect damage. This game action doesn’t use the stack. (See rule 406, “Mana Abilities.”)

Mana burn is loss of life, so no. Comment on my Mono B rogues and my G/B combo decks please ;D

2/1/2009 1:38:00 AM

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wrath of god can kill creatures that have protection from white? That's sad! What about progenitus? It has protection from all but wrath doesn't target damage or enchant it

2/1/2009 2:54:00 AM

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Wrath-effects are the only things that kill Progenitus that come to mind immediately (that, and Mutilates for -10/-10, etc.), for the most part. Either way, he just gets stuck back into the library so he never truly goes away. Persistent Timmy bugger, it is. I'm not the most intelligent person on this site, but I'll sure as hell speak as if I am.

2/1/2009 10:10:00 AM

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so even tho he technically has protection from wrath of god, he doesn't, haha that's awesome

2/1/2009 12:55:00 PM

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still progenitus is easy to move out and never let them get it back in the library just play sudden spoiling, it turns into a 0/2 and loses abilities, meaning then visara can destroy it and it goes into their graveyard and stays there. sorry comment on the deck "New Bant" and i will return the favor Iron Chef Mtg Competitor, come stop by the thread and see what is cooking on the site, lots of fun to be had!----------------------------------------------------- The angle of the dangle decreases with the sag of the bag, and increases in proportion to the heat of the meat compared to the mass of the ass and the beauty of the cutie.

2/1/2009 2:04:00 PM

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Well it doesn't really have protection from Wrath, it just has protection from white :)

Progenitus? Play Humility and beat it down with Mishra's Factories. My magic blog: http://theundergroundsea.blogspot.com/

2/1/2009 2:44:00 PM

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I was thinking counterspell as far as dealing with a progentius goes. ~Latest deck project: Memories of Blood. Any help would be appreciated.~ "Misery loves company. Idiocy loves attention."

2/1/2009 4:05:00 PM

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Or if you can afford to have it hit you, Dread can destroy it as well ;)

2/1/2009 4:29:00 PM

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why would you want a 10/10 hitting you? even if you can afford it, that is not necessarily a good idea comment on the deck "New Bant" and i will return the favor Iron Chef Mtg Competitor, come stop by the thread and see what is cooking on the site, lots of fun to be had!----------------------------------------------------- The angle of the dangle decreases with the sag of the bag, and increases in proportion to the heat of the meat compared to the mass of the ass and the beauty of the cutie.

2/1/2009 6:19:00 PM

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When using Sisters of stone death if I use her ability to force them to block her then pay for second ability to remove that creature from game, Does it do any damage to her or get removed first?

@Pw just build a deck around indestructibles and cards like "that which was taken" and then wog will leave them still standing. Retired from site. Tired of trolls who rate you poorly just to get you off some worthless list. Gl to all the other people i met who were cool.

2/1/2009 6:23:00 PM

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Assuming you use the second ability before damage is put on the stack, then the Sisters will not take any damage.

2/1/2009 8:48:00 PM

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@ Shad: Depends on which step of combat you activate the ability. If it's done during the blockers step, then she gets blocked and the creature gets RFG'ed. If you wait until after combat damage step, for some reason, then she'll take the damage. >_>;

Back to Progenitus, taking 10 damage is easy with Reverse Damage! =D I'd consider it just easier to use RFG effects on the opponent's graveyard if the "shuffle ~ back into your library" ability hindered something (Painter's Servant/Grindstone combo with 2 Progenitus in library. Tormod's Crypt avoids infinite loops. In fact, this goes for any arbitrarily large milling combo). I'm not the most intelligent person on this site, but I'll sure as hell speak as if I am.

2/1/2009 11:01:00 PM

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Does Progenitus even go to the graveyard? Based on the "If" wording of that ability, it's a replacement effect and not a trigger, so there's no chance to RFG it while it's in the graveyard?

2/1/2009 11:25:00 PM

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it says if it's sent to the graveyard which means it must be in the graveyard

And progenitus says protection from everything. Protection isn't just colors. It includes protection from spirits, artifacts, sorceries etc. Even players. It's kinda sad that I can still be killed by WoG cuz I figured it was supposed to be a card that can die when it hits the field and if it's milled or discarded then even that isn't enough to finish it for good

2/1/2009 11:38:00 PM

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Dennis is correct about that being a replacement effect (never goes to the graveyard).

If the text says "if" then it's a replacement effect. If the text says "when/whenever" then its a triggered ability (and then actually goes to the graveyard). My magic blog: http://theundergroundsea.blogspot.com/

2/1/2009 11:39:00 PM

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Progenitus actually says "If Progenitus would...instead" That's a replacement effect, stating that if Progenitus would ever try going to the graveyard, he instead goes directly to jail (aka your library). He also does not pass Go, and does not collect $200, even though I don't think a Hydra god really has much need for money... MTG Lvl 1 Judge and one of your MTGFanatic Moderators! Birds of Paradise Count: 28

2/1/2009 11:41:00 PM

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...I'll shut up now...

2/1/2009 11:45:00 PM

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It's okay, PW, I totally failed when I tried to argue rules with Grimmer about a page and-a-half ago. MTG Lvl 1 Judge and one of your MTGFanatic Moderators! Birds of Paradise Count: 28

2/1/2009 11:46:00 PM

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I'm not arguing, I just feel a little down, my past three attempts to explain the rules were shot down by molar mass haha

2/1/2009 11:47:00 PM

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you should read a web-comic. And we should stop spamming the rules thread. MTG Lvl 1 Judge and one of your MTGFanatic Moderators! Birds of Paradise Count: 28

2/2/2009 12:07:00 AM

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Ok, Im just gonna clear up the progenetus thing as best I can because it seems there is some confusion about him.

Progenetus has protection from everything, the important part is that he has(in effect):

Protection from all colors
Protection from colorless

Past that, everything else is arbitrary unless we bring in outside effects. So this means that progenetus cannot be targeted by any spell or ability, cannot be blocked and all damage that would be dealt to it is prevented while he is in play.

As for his not-dieing ability, it is a replacement effect and he never hits the yard. If he is somehow sent to the yard he will interact with "if a creature/permenant would be sent into a graveyard..." abilities, but not with, "when a creature/permenant is put into a graveyard..." abilities Comment on my Mono B rogues and my G/B combo decks please ;D

2/2/2009 12:10:00 AM

The Planeswalker

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doesn't protection prevent enchantments from enchanting him as well?

Also, does quirion get 2 counters for a b/u or r/w etc spell?