Rules Questions Thread 2.0

Rules Questions Thread 2.0
8/11/2008 11:56:19 PM

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Well it seems that the rules thread pulled a vanishing act on us, so in its honor: Rules question thread 2.0 Ask away

Alright, nearly 2 pages of questions on progenetius in the rules thread has spurred me to post this. I ask grimmer and everyone else not to answer any more questions about protection from everything.

Here are the 4 things you need to know about protection from everything.

1) Progenetius cannot be targeted by spells or abilities. That means if the spell says TARGET creature or permenant it can't choose progenetius. If it never mentions target creature or permenant your golden (re: wrath of god kills him)

2) Progenetius is unblockable. Period.

3) All damage to progenetius is prevented. If you pyroclasm for example, you do not pass go, you do not collect 200 dollars and you do not deal 2 points of damage to progenetius.

4) Progeneius cannot be equipped or enchanted. If you have some way to move an enchantment or equipment to progenetius without targeting him you can but it will fall off as a state based effect. An enchanment would go to the yard and an equipment would just sit there and laugh at you for being an idiot.

Thats it, unless you have a specific question about the way protection from everything interacts in unique situations STOP ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT HIM.

For the love of god, someone sticky this, if I see one more question about protection from everything Im going to off myself. Comment on my Mono B rogues and my G/B combo decks please ;D

1/24/2009 5:58:00 PM

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Are you talking about you and your opponent both playing Orims one in response to the other then yes, both players would be banned from playing spells after they resolve. If you are talking about trying to get two opponents with two chants they dont need to be chained.

Btw what is "Fast Effect"? do you mean an instant? Fortune favors the prepared mind

1/24/2009 6:36:00 PM

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@DonQuixote-LOMA
So both players wont be able to play spells on that turn after playing the 1st & 2nd orims chant, after it resolves.

1/24/2009 6:45:00 PM

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@DonQuixote-LOMA
So both players wont be able to play spells on that turn after playing the 1st & 2nd orims chant, after it resolves.

1/24/2009 7:13:00 PM

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yes... player a could play an orims chant in response to player b playing an orim chant while it was still on the stack .. and both would resolve and neither player could play spells .. tho only one would need to pay the kicker since twice would be redundant Fortune favors the prepared mind

1/25/2009 7:20:00 AM

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gotcha! thanks DonQuixote-LOMA, now how about daybreak coronet? if my creature has flickering ward and daybreak coronet on it. and i chose to return my flickering ward. does it remove the daybreak coronet as well?

1/25/2009 9:13:00 AM

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Yes, then Daybreak Coronet will put into your graveyard, since it is a illegal target it is enchanting. Moo.

1/25/2009 10:01:00 AM

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@ Eppek the Goblin

Thanks for the info!

1/25/2009 12:41:00 PM

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1/25/2009 2:06:00 PM

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ok im posting this as a means of clarification. on the wizards site there is a rules test you can take and they said that if you attach the green enchant creature card regeneration on an opponents creature essentially you can prevent damage from that creature by regenerating it, is this true? comment on the deck "New Bant" and i will return the favor Iron Chef Mtg Competitor, come stop by the thread and see what is cooking on the site, lots of fun to be had!----------------------------------------------------- The angle of the dangle decreases with the sag of the bag, and increases in proportion to the heat of the meat compared to the mass of the ass and the beauty of the cutie.

1/25/2009 3:05:00 PM

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You wouldn't be preventing the damage, you would be replacing the creature being destroyed due to damage. Things like lifelink would still trigger, it just wouldn't go to the graveyard when dealt lethal damage. I killed your cat! (Why?) I felt it would bring closure to our relationship!

1/25/2009 3:26:00 PM

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WierdSteve - Regeneration works like this - before a creature dies, you can put a regeneration "shield" on the creature - I believe it will last til end of turn if not used. Placing a regeneration shield on the creature has no effect on it. When the creature would die, then instead of dying, the shield is taken off, the damage is "healed", and the creature is tapped and removed from combat. None of that happens, however, until fatal damage is assigned to the creature, so regenerating it will NOT remove it combat. Fortune favors the prepared mind

1/25/2009 10:44:00 PM

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Destroy effects do not work on indestructible creatures but would bury effects work? Also, I rarely use equipments so I'm lost a little. I know you can only equip as a sorcery but can you equip creatures you do not control and isthere a way to unequip from a creature at will. Rate and comment on my decks. Some of them aren't completely terrible. I will return the favor. . . Have a JEVIL DAY!!!

1/25/2009 11:08:00 PM

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@Deviljay:
"Bury" is an old term which means "Destroy and cannot regenerate".
You can never equip an equipment to a creature you do not control.
Equipment can never be "unequipped", but you can pay the equip cost to move it to a different creature. MTG Lvl 1 Judge and one of your MTGFanatic Moderators! Birds of Paradise Count: 28

1/25/2009 11:15:00 PM

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@DevilJay - you can only equip at sorcery speed, and you cannot unequip at will, but can only move the equipment to another valid target. (There are a few equipments that allow you equip at instant speed - but that is a special effect of that individual equipment. Fortune favors the prepared mind

1/25/2009 11:37:00 PM

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You can't unequip at will, but you can play Disarm on an equipped creature to unattach the equipment.

1/26/2009 12:11:00 AM

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ok 2 questions came up during the game and i need some confirmation.

1. my opponent attacks with Drove of Elves, i block with Sickle Ripper. would the Wither on Sickle Ripper put -1/-1 counters on Drove of Elves?

2. my opponent attacks with a creature with Trample, i block with a creature with First Strike. would the First Strike creature die? "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising everytime we fall." -Confucious ~ One of your MTGFanatic Mods!

1/26/2009 12:28:00 AM

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1# - I would think so because it's not really being targeted. Hard to say on that matter.

2# - I do believe that your creature would die if it couldn't survive through the damage. Trample beats First Strikers kinda. Getting ready for the M2010 switch? I made an all black vampire deck just for it. :P

1/26/2009 5:26:00 AM

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1: Yes, Drove of Elves would get counters, it isn't a targetted ability.
2: Depends. Say, you block a Ball Lightning with a Boros Recruit, it would kill Ball Lightning before it deals combat damage. All depends on toughness etc. Moo.

1/26/2009 7:22:00 AM

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>>>"Bury" is an old term which means "Destroy and cannot regenerate".

"Bury" is an old term which USUALLY translates into "Destroy and cannot regenerate". (See Ball Lightning) :)

DEVILJAY, always check gatherer.wizards.com for the current card wording. No card uses the term "bury" anymore in the current wording. It is an obsolete term. I killed your cat! (Why?) I felt it would bring closure to our relationship!

1/26/2009 8:23:00 AM

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Well, Grimmer, Ball Lightning now says "At the end of turn, sacrifice Ball Lightning" so bad example :P Moo.

1/26/2009 9:18:00 AM

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And indestructable does not effect sacrificing it. Fortune favors the prepared mind

1/26/2009 9:39:00 AM

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My opponent has a field of 4 creature, one of which is a Hissing Iguanar. I use Scourglass during my upkeep, can my opponent deal me the 1 damage per creature that goes to the graveyard? Or will that ability not trigger since Hissing Iguanar is no longer in play?

1/26/2009 10:44:00 AM

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You will take three damage from the Hissing Iguanar, as the creatures die at the same time, and the effect will trigger, go on the stack and does not require it to be in play. you would take three since the Iguanar says OTHER creature. Fortune favors the prepared mind

1/26/2009 12:31:00 PM

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>>>Well, Grimmer, Ball Lightning now says "At the end of turn, sacrifice Ball Lightning" so bad example :P

That's why I listed it as an example of how it USUALLY translates into "destroy and can't regenerate"... Firemane had said it as if it were always a direct translation. Ball Lightning is the only exception I'm aware of, however. I killed your cat! (Why?) I felt it would bring closure to our relationship!

1/26/2009 6:21:00 PM

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EIIE, look at the first printing of Ball Lightning from The Dark and you'll see why Grimmer used it as an example.