Rules Questions Thread 2.0

Rules Questions Thread 2.0
8/11/2008 11:56:19 PM

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Well it seems that the rules thread pulled a vanishing act on us, so in its honor: Rules question thread 2.0 Ask away

Alright, nearly 2 pages of questions on progenetius in the rules thread has spurred me to post this. I ask grimmer and everyone else not to answer any more questions about protection from everything.

Here are the 4 things you need to know about protection from everything.

1) Progenetius cannot be targeted by spells or abilities. That means if the spell says TARGET creature or permenant it can't choose progenetius. If it never mentions target creature or permenant your golden (re: wrath of god kills him)

2) Progenetius is unblockable. Period.

3) All damage to progenetius is prevented. If you pyroclasm for example, you do not pass go, you do not collect 200 dollars and you do not deal 2 points of damage to progenetius.

4) Progeneius cannot be equipped or enchanted. If you have some way to move an enchantment or equipment to progenetius without targeting him you can but it will fall off as a state based effect. An enchanment would go to the yard and an equipment would just sit there and laugh at you for being an idiot.

Thats it, unless you have a specific question about the way protection from everything interacts in unique situations STOP ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT HIM.

For the love of god, someone sticky this, if I see one more question about protection from everything Im going to off myself. Comment on my Mono B rogues and my G/B combo decks please ;D

12/30/2008 2:12:00 PM

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and if someone flame javelins one of my faeries and I champion them with clique it fizzles

12/30/2008 2:49:00 PM

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More specific please. By it, I guess you are meaning Flame Javelin, in which case, yes, it will be countered upon resolution, since it doesn't have a legal target. Moo.

12/30/2008 3:06:00 PM

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ya sorry, let's say they target my scion of oona with flame javelin, I can champion my scion with mistbind clique which would "counter" the javelin right

12/30/2008 3:24:00 PM

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Correct. The Flame Javelin would be countered upon resolution due to having no legal target when it tried to resolve. I killed your cat! (Why?) I felt it would bring closure to our relationship!

12/30/2008 3:47:00 PM

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If there were other faeries he could target then could he target them instead?

12/30/2008 3:54:00 PM

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Yes, but not if he had already targeted your Scoin of Oona. Spells's target's
can not be changed once the spell is put on the stack.
Moo.

12/30/2008 3:55:00 PM

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If Scion of Oona is in play, the other faeries are untargetable. In the scenario you describe, he could not change the target of the Flame Javelin simply because the intended target is no longer valid.

Once the Scion is no longer in play, though, other spells/abilities could once again target the faeries, but the Flame Javelin is going to be countered upon resolution. I killed your cat! (Why?) I felt it would bring closure to our relationship!

12/30/2008 5:06:00 PM

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Sorry I have more but thank u a bunch! If I play spellstutter sprite when vexing shusher is on my opponents side of the field does spellstutter sprite so nothing when it comes into play, or would it counter itself, or what?

12/30/2008 5:47:00 PM

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Spellstutter Sprite can never counter itself because the "comes into play" trigger won't trigger until after it has resolved into play.

When your Spellstutter Sprite resolves into play, if there is a spell on the stack with converted mana cost <= the number of faeries you control then the trigger will go on the stack targeting the spell. If they choose to use Shusher's ability to make the targeted spell uncounterable, then the trigger will not do anything when it resolves and their spell will resolve normally. I killed your cat! (Why?) I felt it would bring closure to our relationship!

12/31/2008 3:03:00 AM

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If I play familiars ruse and all I have r tokens, can I use a token for ruses extra play cost, or since it's a token and can't be returned to my hand would that be illegal?

12/31/2008 7:37:00 AM

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Yes, you can use tokens. It will cease to exist as soon as it is in your hand, but it isn't illigal. Moo.

12/31/2008 5:10:00 PM

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Ok, so I was wondering. I used to know how this works but I have been out of the game for a year or so. If I play a special land where I tap it and get two mountain mana, do I get two mountains everytime I tap it (i.e every turn)? "Step by step we try controlling our fate. Once we finally start living, it's become to late. Trapped inside this Octavarium! Trapped inside this Octavarium! Trapped inside this Octavarium! Trapped inside this Octa-vari-ummmmmmmm!"

12/31/2008 5:35:00 PM

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I need more info to give a definitive answer, but one clarification... you tap land for red mana, not mountain mana.

If you're referring to Graven Cairns, you can choose what kind of mana you produce each time it is used. Turn 3 you could produce RR, turn 4 you could produce BB and turn 5 you could produce RB. If you're referring to another situation, I'll need clarification. I killed your cat! (Why?) I felt it would bring closure to our relationship!

12/31/2008 5:48:00 PM

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ok like guilded lotus....you are alowed to add 3 mana of any color to your mana pool. can you do that each turn? Or like Orzhov Basilica...which reads: O.B comes into play tapped. When O.B comes into play,return a land you control to it's owners hand. TAP-Add 1 white and one black mana to your mana pool.
I know that guilded lotus is an artifact..but i was just wondering.
And yes, I realize you tap a land for red mana, it is not mountain mana...I am not a n00b. It was a slip up...sorry :( "Step by step we try controlling our fate. Once we finally start living, it's become to late. Trapped inside this Octavarium! Trapped inside this Octavarium! Trapped inside this Octavarium! Trapped inside this Octa-vari-ummmmmmmm!"

12/31/2008 6:14:00 PM

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Gilded Lotus allows you to get any combination of colored mana each turn. It doesn't have to be the same each time. One turn you could get RRR, another turn BWG, etc. Orzhov Basilica gives you BW each time, though. I killed your cat! (Why?) I felt it would bring closure to our relationship!

12/31/2008 6:16:00 PM

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but the idea is that you CAN do it.....right? Or like doubling cube which doubles your mana each time you use it. Can you use that each turn if you pay the mana cost. "Step by step we try controlling our fate. Once we finally start living, it's become to late. Trapped inside this Octavarium! Trapped inside this Octavarium! Trapped inside this Octavarium! Trapped inside this Octa-vari-ummmmmmmm!"

12/31/2008 11:47:00 PM

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wait gilded lotus doesnt give you any combination you want, as i see it, it can only add RRR, BBB, GGG, WWW, or UUU not BWG comment on the deck "New Bant" and i will return the favor Iron Chef Mtg Competitor, come stop by the thread and see what is cooking on the site, lots of fun to be had!----------------------------------------------------- The angle of the dangle decreases with the sag of the bag, and increases in proportion to the heat of the meat compared to the mass of the ass and the beauty of the cutie.

1/1/2009 12:22:00 AM

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weirdsteve is correct. All 3 must be the same color. I should have re-read the card wording before posting. :) I killed your cat! (Why?) I felt it would bring closure to our relationship!

1/1/2009 8:03:00 AM

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well in an artifact deck that is irrelivant in most cases
"Step by step we try controlling our fate. Once we finally start living, it's become to late. Trapped inside this Octavarium! Trapped inside this Octavarium! Trapped inside this Octavarium! Trapped inside this Octa-vari-ummmmmmmm!"

1/1/2009 9:35:00 AM

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ha mark the day, someone actually proved grimmer wrong, naw just kidding man. but yes in an artifact deck it really wouldnt matter at all comment on the deck "New Bant" and i will return the favor Iron Chef Mtg Competitor, come stop by the thread and see what is cooking on the site, lots of fun to be had!----------------------------------------------------- The angle of the dangle decreases with the sag of the bag, and increases in proportion to the heat of the meat compared to the mass of the ass and the beauty of the cutie.

1/1/2009 9:46:00 AM

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well in all fairness I never did say that it was for use in an artifact deck...so there is no way he could have known. "Step by step we try controlling our fate. Once we finally start living, it's become to late. Trapped inside this Octavarium! Trapped inside this Octavarium! Trapped inside this Octavarium! Trapped inside this Octa-vari-ummmmmmmm!"

1/1/2009 3:11:00 PM

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Can you use Mirror Entity's X: ability with 0 mana? I am thinking this would be useful to send your creatures to the 'yard, triggering some game winning effect (by a card that I don't know, I assume one/more has to exist) MtgFanatic User

1/1/2009 4:26:00 PM

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Yes, and Reveillark+Body Double+(Insert 2-power creature with a comes/leaves play ability)+ Mirror Entity=Game MTG Lvl 1 Judge and one of your MTGFanatic Moderators! Birds of Paradise Count: 28

1/1/2009 6:53:00 PM

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ok this is more of clearing up of a matter. it says on twinblade slasher that you can only play its ability once a turn, however i was wondering if you used rings of brighthearth, would it by pass this is or would it still be an illegal action? just wondering comment on the deck "New Bant" and i will return the favor Iron Chef Mtg Competitor, come stop by the thread and see what is cooking on the site, lots of fun to be had!----------------------------------------------------- The angle of the dangle decreases with the sag of the bag, and increases in proportion to the heat of the meat compared to the mass of the ass and the beauty of the cutie.

1/1/2009 7:07:00 PM

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You can copy it, since the additional copy is not played, but put directly on the stack.
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